US student goes on shooting rampage

[Kooperman]

he's so fulla shit...what, it took him like 3 days to wake up? meanwhile, he signed leg'n to fuck the native amer.s out of 100 million dollars worth of housing subsidies (had the link this AM but lost it).

And Bush's boy Tom Delay (and his cronies) have made a bundle from the Indian casinos in swindles and favorable legislation.

[slum_goddess]

y'know, i've said this a thousand times: AFAIC, the hypocrisy is breathtakingly amazing. my fucking jaw nearly hits my desk when i'm reading what they've done/said every day.

[Kooperman]

In years to come, if there are still any objective historians left, there will be books written about this administration and the absolute corruption it promotes.

[slum_goddess]

i really hope it happens in my lifetime (and before i go senile so i can savor the Schadenfreude).

[Malicious Intent]

By the theory of gun proponent's, if the rest of the kids were allowed guns, this would never have happened.

Edited March 26, 2005 by Malicious Intent

[DudeAsInCool]

By the theory of gun proponent's, if the rest of the kids were allowed guns, this would never have happened.

Kinda shoots a hole in that theory, doesnt it...

[Kooperman]

NRA: To prevent rampages, consider arming teachers

ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

The Associated Press

National Rifle Association first vice president Sandra S. Froman of Tucson says gun controls would not have prevented a troubled teen from killing nine people and himself Monday near Bemidji, Minn.

PHOENIX - All options should be considered to help prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives, including the possibility of arming teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said yesterday.

Gun control restrictions would not have prevented a troubled teenager from killing nine people and himself Monday at Red Lake High School near Bemidji, Minn., the NRA's first vice president, Sandra S. Froman of Tucson, told The Associated Press.

"No gun law, no policy that you could implement now or that was already implemented, I think, could possibly prevent someone so intent on destruction," said Froman, an attorney who is expected to be elected NRA president next month in Houston.

Jeff Weise, 16, fatally shot his policeman grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend, then gunned down five high school classmates, an unarmed security guard and a teacher on the Red Lake Indian reservation in Minnesota. He then shot himself.

In an interview with the AP, Froman said having an unarmed guard at the school didn't work. While not prepared to offer a solution, she said society has to find ways to deal with potentially violent youths.

"I think everything's on the table as far as looking at what we need to do to make our schools safe for our students," Froman said.

Froman said the Minnesota incident had nothing to do with the NRA. When such incidents occur, some antigun advocates tend to use them as a political platform "to cry out that it's the NRA's fault" and more gun control would have prevented it, she said. "I think that's grandstanding, that's despicable."

Froman said that if it is the responsibility of teachers to protect students in a school, "then we as a society, we as a community have to provide a way for the teachers to do that."

"I'm not saying that that means every teacher should have a gun or not, but what I am saying is, we need to look at all the options at what will truly protect the students."

Froman cited a school shooting incident several years ago in Pearl, Miss., where a teacher retrieved a gun from his car when a student started shooting, took it into the school and held the student at bay until police arrived.

There are ways to come up with solutions balancing the need for students to be protected against the risk that an available gun could be misused, she added.

People have to realize that such situations do occur, and a law prohibiting guns in schools "is not going to stop someone who has evil in their heart and who has the capacity to commit those crimes from doing them," Froman said.

She pointed to recent shootings in a church service and in a courtroom and also recalled an incident where a troubled nursing student shot three faculty members at the University of Arizona College of Nursing.

"The laws don't prevent those kinds of incidents. But if you have laws that prevent law-abiding, peaceable people from protecting themselves, then you make the criminals' jobs easier, because there's no one there who's a good guy with a gun who could maybe after the first death prevent future deaths," she said.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?pag...a6_newsmakernra

[DudeAsInCool]

NRA: To prevent rampages, consider arming teachers

ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

The Associated Press

Unbelievable and disgusting :reallymad: :reallymad: :reallymad:

[Wolfie]

Yep, what we need is even MORE guns in school. <_>

[DudeAsInCool]

Yep, what we need is even MORE guns in school.  <_>

And in the nursery schools and colleges, too. Hell, Im packin'now - who knows, someone may want to pull a hit at the grocery store...

I doubt responsible gun owners would go for this crap - the NRA would legalize cruise missles if they could

[slum_goddess]

NRA: To prevent rampages, consider arming teachers

oh that's just brilliant. (assholes!)

[Redneck4sure]

I think it is a great plan. :bigsmile:

[DudeAsInCool]

I think it is a great plan. :bigsmile:

It would be out of character for you to say otherwise...but we know better :)

[Redneck4sure]

It would be out of character for you to say otherwise...but we know better :)

Don't tell.

[The Hunter]

I still think my idea of also giving the students napalm so they could have a hell of a barbeque is brilliant. Well its at least as smart as adding more guns to the mix. DOH

[KiwiCoromandel]

"No gun law, no policy that you could implement now or that was already implemented, I think, could possibly prevent someone so intent on destruction "

what utter crap...... <_>

[The Hunter]

He was a very selfdestructive individual that was some how lost in the shuffle. If nobody either recognized the warning signs, or if they missed them I dont know, but going by the signs that were there, this was very preventable. And I dont mean by bringing more guns into the mix.

[Cerebral_Assassin]

The online journal that the media keeps mentioning.

A friend of mine has been pretty shaken by all this, he knows the area, knows some of the people, was once taught by the teacher who died.

shawn: aren't aboriginals exclusive to austrlaia?

Here's his MSN profile............

MSN Profile

[Shawn]

shawn: aren't aboriginals exclusive to austrlaia?

Sorry I hadn't seen this until now. I think you're refering to the word aboriginees. The blanket term 'aboriginal' has gained strength as a means of describing the euro-displaced people of any country. It's as a means of seeking commonality among all of the groups: maori, aboriginees, First Nations [Canada], Indians, whatever.

[DudeAsInCool]

Juvenile Arrested in Minn. School Shooting

By STEVE KARNOWSKI, Associated Press Writer

RED LAKE, Minn. - A juvenile has been arrested in last week's shooting rampage on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, federal authorities said Monday. They would not say how the juvenile was believed to be connected to the attack, which left 10 people dead, including the 16-year-old gunman.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...est_1&printer=1

[DudeAsInCool]

Drudge Report - 4/1/2005 6:54 pm, p.s.t.

Authorities Believes as Many as 20 Teen-Agers Were Involved in Red Lake Shooting... As many as 20 teen-agers may have known ahead of time about plans for the shooting spree that resulted in the deaths of 10 people on the Indian reservation...

The Post also says that 4 teens may have helped plan the attack..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...4-2005Apr1.html

[DudeAsInCool]

Here is the kid's premonistic flash animation he made... pretty scary...

http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2667491&bw=200 (Click Minnesota Killer's Flash Animation in the left column if it doesnt play right away)

[slum_goddess]

whoa. pet man just said 'imagine how many of these are on the internets' and i hope to fuck they don't begin investigating those who make violent flash animations.

[Potato]

They're saying now that at least three students knew of his plans and up to 20 also knew... the FBI has confiscated several of the school's computers as well. I saw it on the news last night.