Harry's Swastika May Lead to Nazi Symbols Ban

[Malicious Intent]

Harry's Swastika May Lead to Nazi Symbols Ban

The EU may ban the use of Nazi symbols after Prince Harry – dubbed a “royal idiot” by an MEP – wore a swastika armband at a party.

Franco Frattini, the EU’s justice and home affairs commissioner, said he was open to discussing the issue at a ministerial meeting on January 27.

“It may be worth looking into the possibility of a total ban, a Europe-wide ban,” his spokesman Friso Roscam Abbing said in Brussels today.

“Commissioner Frattini shares the general feeling of opprobrium on the use of the swastika and other Nazi symbols.”

The call came after several German conservatives, socialists and liberal democrats in the European Parliament urged a ban following the publication of a photo of Harry, third in line to the throne, wearing a Nazi outfit at a fancy dress party.

German Socialist Helmut Kuhne called Harry a “royal idiot” for not knowing the consequences and Second World War history linked to the Nazi swastika.

Germany already bans such symbols.

Roscam Abbing said Frattini would urge EU ministers to use the swastika incident to push for agreement on EU-wide rules to combat racism, fascism and anti-Semitism.

A proposal was introduced two years ago but discussions have failed to make headway.

Roscam Abbing said officials would take care not to violate freedom of expression in devising such a ban.

[method77]

That was a really stupid move from him.

[Wolfie]

I don't think banning the symbol would get rid of the idea behind it. It might keep the morons (Royal and commoner) from being idiots. Neo-nazis will just pick another symbol. Can't really get rid of the idae by simply banning the symbol.

[Malicious Intent]

This is the way I see it.

Firstly, my sense of humour is poor at best. When I heard he had gone to a fancy dress party as a Nazi, I laughed. Whether it is smoking weed or getting drunk quicker by using a straw, this kid knows how to stir up a media storm.

In this case, he was at a colonials and natives party. Guests on the native side of the half black, half white tent made use of black shoe polish.

The question then becomes what was he doing at this party?

I don't understand the idea behind banning it? One sure fire way of getting everyone to do something is to ban it.

And why are the Germans kicking up such a fuss? What exactly are they try to gain? It isn't to bury the past and a Shawn pointed out, it wont stop any beliefs.

[Redneck4sure]

This is the way I see it.

Firstly, my sense of humour is poor at best. When I heard he had gone to a fancy dress party as a Nazi, I laughed.

Me too. It isn't as if he gives speeches promoting the Nazi bullshit. It was a costume party. It was something I wouldn't do but what the hell.

People go to parties dressed as Bush and according to some people here that is the same thing.

The people that go dressed as Kerry should be ashamed for poking fun at rich retarded people. :bigsmile:

People in Californie don't even need to dress differently from what they wear everyday.

[method77]

I wouldn't mind seeing a person dressed like a nazi in a party cause it's a joke. I'm all against their beliefs but banning is wrong. If they ban thast they should ban a billion other symbols too.

It's different with Harry though. I wouldn't want to see the greek presidents son do that or any politician's son

[KiwiCoromandel]

perhaps young harry is making a statement........after all, many of the english aristocracy and harry`s own relatives in the royal windsor family were related to the german royal family and were openly supportive of the ideas that hitler was putting forward in the 1930`s.........especially on the issue of the " jewish problem "........

The Nazi Roots of the House of Windsor........

One of the biggest public relations hoaxes ever perpetrated by the British Crown, is that King Edward VIII, who abdicated the throne in 1938, due to his support for the Nazis, was a ``black sheep,'' an aberration in an otherwise unblemished Windsor line. Nothing could be further from the truth. The British monarchy, and the City of London's leading Crown bankers, enthusiastically backed Hitler and the Nazis, bankrolled the Führer's election, and did everything possible to build the Nazi war machine, for Britain's planned geopolitical war between Germany and Russia.

Support for Nazi-style genocide has always been at the heart of House of Windsor policy, and long after the abdication of Edward VIII, the Merry Windsors maintained their direct Nazi links.

So, when Prince Philip, co-founder with Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), tells an interviewer that he hopes to be ``reincarnated as a deadly virus'' to help solve the ``population problem,'' he is just ``doin' what comes naturally'' for any scion of the Anglo-Dutch oligarchy.

To get beyond the soap opera stuff and truly understand the Windsors today, it is useful to start with Prince Philip. Not only was he trained in the Hitler Youth curriculum, but his German brothers-in-law, with whom he lived, all became high-ranking figures in the Nazi Party.

Before his family was forced into exile, Prince Philip had been in line of succession to the Greek throne, established after a British-run coup against the son of King Ludwig of Bavaria, who became King Otto I of the Hellenes. Having dispatched King Otto in 1862, London ran a talent search for a successor, which resulted in the selection of Prince William, the son of the designated heir and nephew to the Danish king, Crown Prince Christian. In 1862, Prince William of the Danes was installed as King George I of Greece, and married a granddaughter of Czar Nicholas I in 1866. Prince Philip is a grandson of Queen Victoria, and he is related to most of the current and former crowned heads of Europe, including seven czars.

The marriages of Prince Philip's sisters definitely strengthened the German aristocratic ties. During 1931-1932, Philip's four older sisters married as follows: Margarita to a Czech-Austrian prince named Gottfried von Hohenlohe-Langenburg, a great-grandson of England's Queen Victoria; Theodora to Berthold, the margrave of Baden; Cecilia to Georg Donatus, grand duke of Hesse-by-Rhine, also a great-grandson of Queen Victoria; and, Sophie to Prince Christoph of Hesse.

Three of Philip's brothers-in-law were part of a group of German aristocrats who were Anglophile and pro-Nazi at the same time, and who remain a subversive force in Germany to this day.

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Enter Prince Bernhard

His Royal Highness Prince Bernhard, royal consort to Queen Juliana of the Netherlands and father of the current Queen Beatrix, co-founded and became the first head of the World Wildlife Fund (now the World Wide Fund for Nature) in October 1961. When the Lockheed scandal forced Prince Bernhard to resign from his most important public functions in 1971, he was replaced by Prince Philip. Prince Bernhard, like Prince Philip, whom he recruited to the eco-fascist cause, had strong roots in the Nazi movement.

In fact, the whole House of Orange did: Queen Wilhelmina, mother of the future Queen Juliana, married a right-wing playboy who begged for money for Hitler; Juliana married an SS man (Prince Bernhard); and, Queen Juliana's daughter Beatrix married a former member of Hitler Youth.

Prince Bernhard first became interested in the Nazis in 1934, during his last year of study at the University of Berlin. He was recruited by a member of the Nazi intelligence services, but first worked openly in the motorized SS. Bernhard went to Paris to work for the firm IG Farben, which pioneered Nazi Economics Minister Hjalmar Schacht's slave labor camp system by building concentration camps to convert coal into synthetic gasoline and rubber. Bernhard's role was to conduct espionage on behalf of the SS. According to the April 5, 1976 issue of Newsweek, this role, as part of a special SS intelligence unit in IG Farbenindustrie, had been revealed in testimony at the Nuremberg trials.

When Bernhard left the SS to marry the future Queen Juliana, he signed his letter of resignation to Adolf Hitler, ``Heil Hitler!'' William Hoffman writes in his book Queen Juliana:

``Tensions [over the marriage] were not cooled when ... Adolf Hitler forwarded his own congratulatory message. The newspaper Het Volk editorialized that `it would be better if the future Queen had found a consort in some democratic country rather than in the Third Reich.'|''

This is the man who recruited Prince Philip to eco-facism, but Prince Philip's Nazi roots had been laid much earlier.

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Hitler Youth and Universal Fascism

Through the influence of his sister Theodora, young Philip was sent to the German school near Lake Constantine that had been founded by Berthold's father, Max von Baden, working through his longtime personal secretary, Kurt Hahn. During World War I, Prince Max von Baden had been chancellor, while the Oxford-trained Hahn first served as head of the Berlin Foreign Ministry's intelligence desk, then as special adviser to Prince Max in the Versailles Treaty negotiations. Von Baden and Hahn set up a school in a wing of Schloss Salem, employing a combination of monasticism and the Nazis' ``strength-through-joy'' system. At first a supporter of the Nazis, Hahn, who was part Jewish, soon got into trouble with the SS, and came to support the more centrist elements of the Nazi Party. What Hahn really had become is what Henry Kissinger's friend, Michael Ledeen has termed a ``universal fascist,'' in the sense of Vladimir Jabotinsky, Count Coudenhove-Kalergi, the Strasser brothers, and other fascists whom the hard-core Nazis would have no dealings with.

Although Hahn's powerful connections permitted him to escape the concentration camps, he was forced to leave the school he founded in Germany before Philip's arrival there, and established a new school in Scotland, called Gordonstoun. It would play a major role in rearing all the male children of Queen Elizabeth II and Philip. When Philip arrived at Hahn's school in Schloss Salem, it was in control of the Hitler Youth and the Nazi Party, and the curriculum had become Nazi ``race science.'' Hahn became an adviser to the Foreign Office in London, urging policies of appeasement based upon appeals to the ``centrist'' Nazis.

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Philip's Relatives Work for the SS

The husband of Philip's sister Sophie, Prince Christoph, was embraced by the Nazis, who saw him as a channel to the appeasement faction in Britain epitomized by King Edward VIII. Joining the Nazi Party in 1933, by 1935 Prince Christoph was chief of the Forschungsamt (directorate of scientific research), a special intelligence operation run by Hermann Göring, and he was also Standartenführer (colonel) of the SS on Heinrich Himmler's personal staff. The Forschungsamt used electronic intelligence-gathering methods to police the Nazi Party, while working with the Gestapo against the Catholic Church, the Jews, and labor organizations. When rumors of homosexuality spread against Capt. Ernst Roehm of the Stormtroopers, Himmler turned to the Forschungsamt's eavesdroppers, and ordered the ``Night of the Long Knives'' as a result. The eldest of Prince Christoph and Sophie's children was named Karl Adolf, after Hitler. Later, Prince Philip would promote his education.

Prince Christoph's brother, Philip of Hesse, married a daughter of the King of Italy, and became the official liaison between the Nazi and Fascist regimes.

Four years after Prince Philip left Schloss Salem to attend Gordonstoun Academy in Scotland, on Nov. 16, 1937, Philip learned that his sister Cecilia and her husband Georg Donatus, hereditary grand duke of Hesse-by-Rhine, had crashed in one of Göring's Junker aircraft on a trip to London for Georg's brother's wedding. According to the British magazine Private Eye, the funeral became a gathering point for leading Nazis and their appeasers. Prince Philip himself developed secretive ties with King Edward VIII, continuing after Edward was deposed in 1938.

In fact, one of the central figures in the 1930s Nazi-British back-channel was Philip's uncle and sponsor, Lord Louis Mountbatten (originally, Battenberg, a branch of the House of Hesse). Until he was forced to abdicate, King Edward VIII enjoyed the full backing of ``Dickie'' Mountbatten. Through much of World War II, secret channels of communication were maintained between the British royal family and their pro-Hitler cousins in Germany, by Lord Mountbatten, through his sister Louise, who was crown princess of pro-Nazi Sweden. Louise was Prince Philip's aunt.

Although Buckingham Palace's rumor mill has tried to depict this wartime collaboration with the enemy as mere family correspondence, the channel apparently included messages from Prince Philip's secret ally, the Duke of Windsor (the former Edward VIII). On Nov. 20, 1995, the Washington Times reported, based on recently discovered Portuguese Secret Service files first published in the London Observer, that the Duke of Windsor had been in close collaboration with the Nazis in Spain and Portugal to foment a revolution in wartime Britain, that would topple the Churchill government, depose his brother King George VI, and allow him to regain the throne, with Queen Wallis [simpson, the American divorcée, for whom he abdicated the throne] at his side. Portuguese surveillance revealed that Walter Schellenberg, head of Gestapo counterintelligence, was one point of contact in this plot. After Schellenberg met with the Spanish ambassador to Portugal, Nicolás Franco, brother of fascist Gen. Francisco Franco, Ambassador Franco told a Portuguese diplomat: ``The Duke of Windsor, free from the responsibilities of the war, in disagreement with English politicians, could be the man to put at the head of the Empire.''

Whatever correspondence was hidden in Sophie and Prince Christoph's Kronberg Castle, King George VI, in June 1945, felt compelled to dispatch the former MI-5 officer turned ``Surveyor of the King's Pictures,'' Anthony Blunt, to gather up the correspondence. Queen Elizabeth II reportedly insisted that there be no interrogation of Blunt about his secret trip to the castle. Otherwise, it is notable that starting with an exchange between King George VI and President Eisenhower, the House of Windsor has been desperate to keep classified those documents from Kronberg Castle that fell into American Army hands, long beyond the normal length of time. Clearly, Prince Philip's patron Lord Dickie Mountbatten, Mountbatten's sister Crown Princess Louise, and Philip's brother-in-law Prince Christoph of Hesse were not just exchanging Christmas greetings......

Edited January 18, 2005 by kiwibank

[Ken]

Kings, Queens, Princes, Czars, Führers.

All bullshit. Throw it all away.

I'll repeat that, B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. It's bad enough the president of the U.S. states is barely comparable to a monkey in mental stature, but I would never be "ruled" or even recognize anyone taking one of those phony titles. At least the title "President" does not have a bloodline requirement, and is held in check (although less and less these days) by an array of other government branches, the media and the people.

If Willybobwahtz whoever the fuck wants to wear a Swastika, I say let the little bastard have at it.

Besides, I thought the EU was relatively sane (I guess I was wrong). Banning a symbol sounds like something the current U.S. "administration" (and I use that term loosely) would do. The Swastika symbol didn't kill millions of people. People killed millions of people.

As a matter of fact, the Swastika is one of the oldest known symbols used by MANY cultures.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/...tikahistory.htm

[Shawn]

I'll only comment briefly. What purpose does the symbol serve? Whose freedoms would be infringed upon by banning the symbol? Basically, does the symbol hold a single innocent purpose anymore?

I could give a shite if they ban it because it won't stop the idiots thinking it anyway. However, if given half a chance I think the royals should be put out to pasture. Speaking strictly as one Canadian, what purpose are they serving? Most Canadians don't identify themselves as British anymore and haven't for more than 50 years.

It's time for a change in my view.

[Ken]

does the symbol hold a single innocent purpose anymore?

Does the symbol have to serve an innocent purpose? What is an innocent purpose?

Sounds like a black and white thought to me. It's a symbol, not an entity for which we pass judgment. It's a part of multiple cultures. Banning a symbol is nothing short of stupid.

What if a dictator comparable to the worst of those in history decided to adopt the Christian cross as his/her/its symbol and then committed unspeakable crimes.

Shall we ban the cross?

How about the peace symbol? What if he/she/it used that instead? What if the white flag was used or a picture of planet earth?

Quick, ban Earth! Ban the witch!

Of the wall? Yes. Do I have a point? You bet your ass I do.

Edited January 18, 2005 by Ken

[Shawn]

Shall we ban the cross?

How about the peace symbol? What if he/she/it used that instead? What if the white flag was used or a picture of planet earth?

I'm with you, let's get rid of both of them.

I see your point, and it makes sense. However, I still stand by the notion of the "innocent purpose". There is only a single meaning attributted to that symbol. There are no people on earth that still worship a religion that holds the symbol in any esteem. It only refers to the national socialist movement and the evil they committed.

[slum_goddess]

where to begin?

Firstly, my sense of humour is poor at best. When I heard he had gone to a fancy dress party as a Nazi, I laughed.

so did i (and my mother's jewish). my sister told me she laughed as well.

living in germany, i wanted chris to dress as an SS officer w/me as a concentration camp survivor w/the yellow star. but he wussed out--each and EVERY halloween we were there (and i won't let him forget it).

King Edward VIII, who abdicated the throne in 1938, due to his support for the Nazis,

duhhhh, i thought he abdicated in order to marry a commoner, wallis simpson.

thank you for the history, kiwibank, gonna read it when i'm more awake.

However, if given half a chance I think the royals should be put out to pasture.

me too--AFAIC, they might as well be on welfare...now that we're living here, we're supporting their asses as well (i was told). even if we weren't, i have huge issues w/anyone living so far above those at the financial bottom.

[Malicious Intent]

This country is a mess. Beyond football, we have no sense of identity. I don't even know where the borders of this country start and end anymore. The Queen helps give the country a focal point.

I expect that I will stop being a royalist when Prince Charles becomes King. The focal point needs to be positive.

As for being ruled, I dont see the Queen that way. She would be a crap Queen if she had no powers, but a crap political system if she used them. I therefore think as Queens go, we have it about right. Although seeing the Queen being used as a tool of government to spread the politics of fear made me turn my back on the Queen for a while.

[slum_goddess]

my issued are centred on the scale on which they live, compared to some rather poor people w/whom i'm friends, that's all (in a totally socialistic POV). :)