Jackson Lawyer Fumes Over Secret Taping

[DudeAsInCool]

Wonder if anyone would print this version of the story?

[HolyMoly]

Wonder if anyone would print this version of the story?

Doubtful. Like I said, it's only a conspiracy theory (grin). Remember that race riots were predicted if OJ was found guilty. Can you imagine what would happen if the prosecutor's office now went after Jason? People would claim it was a vendetta. Bottom line, the blood evidence was tainted. And even if the bloody glove fit Jason's hand now, it may not have fit his hand in 1994 (when fitting it mattered). Proving Jason's guilt at this point would be a prosecutor's nightmare ... assuming Jason is guilty (and I'm not necessarily saying he is). But starting with Dr. Lee's remark, my suspicious nature looked in the only logical alternative direction.

[DudeAsInCool]

All very plausible. Well, Im hitting the hay. Next time I will be curious as to your take on the RFK and JFK stuff--the reason that conspiratorilists exist is because there is something there :)

[DudeAsInCool]

I realize that this is offtopic to the Michael Jackson thread, but. Any interest HM about these two conspiracies? Im actually a friend of Jim Marrs, who wrote the book which Oliver Stone's JFK was based upon, and Im working on a project related to the RFK murder. Marrs, as I, am very interested in the fact that there were numerous Oswald sightings at the same time--Popkin wrote a book about it. It hasnt been explained yet as to why there were multiple Oswalds floating around Dallas to this day.

[Crywolf21]

I wonder...if Michael Jackson had been a regular blue-collar joe... would he have been given the same leniency? Time and time again?

[DudeAsInCool]

Good question. Obviously he has the money to fight this thing--but, this time around it looks like the Santa Barbara DA is trying to make a name for himself.

[HolyMoly]

I wonder...if Michael Jackson had been a regular blue-collar joe... would he have been given the same leniency?  Time and time again?

Nope. Law enforcement always treats rich and/or smart suspects with a certain degree of respect. Michael Jackson is an example of respect for a rich suspect ... and Frank Abagnale, Jr., is an example of respect for the smart suspect. Abagnale was the subject of the film, "Catch Me If You Can," the kid who forged checks and impersonated various professions -- a pilot, a doctor, etc. And to some extent, hackers are treated with respect and are sometimes offered jobs working for "the good guys" - much like Abagnale was.

Obviously he has the money to fight this thing--but, this time around it looks like the Santa Barbara DA is trying to make a name for himself.

I think it's more a "self-fulfilling prophecy." When a suspect is an extremely well-known celebrity, media attention is a given. If anything, I think the DA is a bit scared. If he can't make this case stick, he knows that his credibility as a DA will be on par with Marcia Clark's credibility (OJ's prosecutor). It's make or break. I think the DA is less trying to make a name for himself as, perhaps, attempting to restore some of the credibility he lost 10 years ago when California law tied his hands in any attempt to prosecute Michael Jackson for his 1993 incident.

[DudeAsInCool]

QUOTE : I think the DA is less trying to make a name for himself as, perhaps, attempting to restore some of the credibility he lost 10 years ago when California law tied his hands in any attempt to prosecute Michael Jackson for his 1993 incident.

No doubt. Off topic, what do you think about this site--any suggestions?

[HolyMoly]

No doubt. Off topic, what do you think about this site--any suggestions?

None. I think the idea of a site by-invitation-only is a good thing. There are undesirables who don't belong here that are a constant pain in the ass to the folks at ZP. Of course, you could do some scouting around for "desirable" people not yet here. The more the merrier ... minus trolls and naysayers.

On my last post about hackers (generally poor or middle-class but smart) getting favorable treatment (ie., respect) from law enforcement entities, just wanted to add something. Every year, hackers from all over the world attend a hackers convention called DefCon. DefCon 12 is scheduled for Las Vegas next year between July 30th and August 1st. Click here for more details. Anyway, for a number of years now (at least since DefCon 8), the FBI has been "haunting" these conventions ... and on occasion, have arrested wanted fugitives at them. However, the FBI has also been openly "recruiting" hackers to work for them at DefCons. Read this article.

Of course, there's still a love-hate relationship there. They've probably not been too successful in recruiting the "elite" hackers. I sort of imagine a scenario similar to the first Matrix film ... with Neo sitting across the table from Agent Smith, who offers to "wipe the slate clean" of past transgressions in exchange for his help. Neo replies, "I've got a better offer. How about if I give you this (flips Agent Smith the bird) and you give me my fucking phone call (to an attorney)." Hehe. But, there's definitely righteous respect for the hacking community by Federal law enforcement agencies ... no denying that.

[Kooperman]

I realize that this is offtopic to the Michael Jackson thread, but.  Any interest HM about these two conspiracies? Im actually a friend of Jim Marrs, who wrote the book which Oliver Stone's JFK was based upon, and Im working on a project related to the RFK murder.  Marrs, as I, am very interested in the fact that there were numerous Oswald sightings at the same time--Popkin wrote a book about it.  It hasnt been explained yet as to why there were multiple Oswalds floating around Dallas to this day.

I'm always interested in information or reasoned theories about the RFK or JFK murders. I've heard Jim Marrs several times on Coast To Coast or Jeff Rense and always thought he came across as very credible.

[DudeAsInCool]

Jim is great--he doesn't pretend to have all the answers--he just believes that the questions need to be researched further.

I have no doubt Oswald was involved. But I think Tippit might have been as well. And there seemed to be alot of military and fbi officials around... I think the assassination had all to do with the mob and the cubans. There is an article currently featured on salon that basically says the same thing.

In terms of the RFK, a friend of mine's uncle, who wrote speeches for RFK, told me he was run out of town by some thugs, days after the RFK murder. A student at the UCLA Film School, who was working on A Making of the President for PBS, and was there that night at the Ambassador, had his footage stolen from UCLA. And then there were the interrogators of the witnesses--former CIA officials--who harassed the witnesses when they told something other than the party line--I can find the documentary that theyre featured in if you are interested in. And finally, there were more bullets found in the wall, than it was possible to be in Sirhans gun. I have no idea who was behind the assassination--but even the coroner testified that the fatal shot did not come from Sirhan--this is because the fatal shot came from behind, not in front.

[Kooperman]

I'm interested, as I said, in any information you can give me on either assassination. I was sick last week that I missed a documentary on RFK's assassination which played on the History Channel. Seems that the RFK killing is wildly under-researched and documented, at least in comparison to JFK's. Both killings totally changed the course of this country.

[DudeAsInCool]

Jim and I have been discussing doing a book on the RFK just like he did for JFK--and Im gonna supply him some explosive information via some researcher frinds of mine. Ive been working for nearly a decade on getting a film of a side story off the ground--almost made it this year...

[DudeAsInCool]

Every year, hackers from all over the world attend a hackers convention called DefCon. ...The FBI has been "haunting" these conventions ... and on occasion, have arrested wanted fugitives at them. However, the FBI has also been openly "recruiting" hackers to work for them at DefCons.

Well, according the article, the government is interested in getting an inside crack to al queda, etc, via hackers. Of course, one wonders what protections there are for ordinary citizens if any. Jim Marrs did a book on the government and 'remote viewing', or psychic spying - heard much about that stuff?

[HolyMoly]

Well, according the article, the government is interested in getting an inside crack to al queda, etc, via hackers.

It's a bit more than that (the article said there were things the FBI couldn't discuss about their "mission"). They want "controlled" hacking ... or, hacking by design and on orders ... not by freelancers. An example of what the FBI says they want to avoid is hackers like Kim Schmitz. Kim is a German entrepreneur, very pro-American, who has founded a number of startup technology firms and is quite successful. But one of the successes has been, by design, a money-loser from the get-go ... an organization he calls Y.I.H.A.T. (Young Intelligent Hackers Against Terrorism). He claims his team of 34 hackers, some of whom speak/read/write fluent Arabic and Farsi have hacked into bank accounts in a number of Moslem countries and given information to the U.S. government (a claim the U.S. government denies ... but, hehe, if it was true they'd deny it anyway). CLICK HERE to see Kim's short Flash file on Y.I.H.A.T. BTW, he is hiring (grin). Oddly, though, Schmidt is even generating indignation among hackers. One hacker going by the "Fluffy Bunny" alias hacked his way into Schmidt's site twice and defaced it. Of course, Fluffy Bunny could have been an FBI hacker working on orders.

Jim Marrs did a book on the government and 'remote viewing', or psychic spying - heard much about that stuff?

Only on the Coast-To-Coast AM show. Don't know much about it at all.

[DudeAsInCool]

I ... an organization he calls  Y.I.H.A.T. (Young Intelligent Hackers Against Terrorism).  He claims his team of 34 hackers, some of whom speak/read/write fluent Arabic and Farsi have hacked into bank accounts in a number of Moslem countries and given information to the U.S. government (a claim the U.S. government denies ... but, hehe, if it was true they'd deny it anyway) CLICK HERE to see Kim's short Flash file on Y.I.H.A.T.  BTW, he is hiring (grin).  Oddly, though, Schmidt is even generating indignation among hackers.  One hacker going by the "Fluffy Bunny" alias hacked his way into Schmidt's site twice and defaced it.  Of course, Fluffy Bunny could have been an FBI hacker working on orders.

Pretty rad flash movie--we may have to run this on the front page. What is it that fluffy bunny and other hackers are upset about?

[HolyMoly]

Pretty rad flash movie--we may have to run this on the front page. What is it that fluffy bunny and other hackers are upset about?

Schmidt was an elite hacker before he became a capitalist ... even spent time in prison for it. I suspect this is just another hacker who wants to one-up Schmidt ... which in hindsight, might end up being a stupid thing to do. If you were an elite hacker, rich, and had 34 other elite hackers working for you ... what would you do if someone had the audacity to hack you? I can think of a number of things ... all unpleasant.

BTW, I just turned in a complaint to the moderater. The 7:02 AM post just before yours was NOT posted by me. Either there's a glitch in the forum software or someone has hacked into my forum account and is using it to post messages under my name. If it's the latter, my days here at BeatKing are numbered. Sorry, but these kind of childish games don't impress me a bit.

[DudeAsInCool]

Sorryabout the programmatic glitch, Holy Moly--I'm glad its been resolved

(Modertor's Note to Readers of the thread: There was no hack, just a human error)

Anyway, back to the thread. Well, the world of hackers is a fascinating world. Looks like you've been studying it a bit. Do you have any fears about the government using it to intrude into ordinary people's lives?

[DudeAsInCool]

LOL. I think Im the culprit, CP.. or there was a programming glitch--I've since deleted it. Ive emailed and resolved the issue with Holy Moly, and sent a notice to the Mod's Corner.

(Moderators Note to readers of the thread: There was a human or programming error--nothing was hacked. )

[HolyMoly]

Anyway, back to the thread.  Well, the world of hackers is a fascinating world.  Looks like you've been studying it a bit.  Do you have any fears about the government using it to intrude into ordinary people's lives?

No more than they've already intruded. I'm actually a bit more worried about how far private industry will intrude into our online lives -- spam, intrusive cookies, popups, things like Gator (now known as Claria) and the more sophisticated forms of adware and spyware yet to be developed and deployed. I now use AdAware and Spybot as routinely as I take out the garbage ... and it wasn't always this way.

Many years ago before it was a fad, I was a CB (citizen's band) radio enthusiast. Then it became commercialized and turned into a fad that brought so many do-dos on the air it just wasn't fun anymore - and I've not used a CB radio in years. I've not become fed up with the Internet just yet but it could happen.

[DudeAsInCool]

The intrusion isnt as bad on Macs as it is on PCs because there are less users. Im currently searching for what kind of Adware to get... Private industry seems to be less regulated these days--I'm against any intrusion on people's personal computers.

I know a guy who's created an anti-spam device; the problem he says, is that it will block regular mail too in some instances.. so he's kind of frustrated. He's a really neat guy--he creates computer programs for free and gives them away. Check out his site. www.analogx.com

[HolyMoly]

The intrusion isnt as bad on Macs as it is on PCs because there are less users.

So far. I'm holding out as a Windows 98SE user for as long as I can because I consider Windows ME to be little more than "Windows 98 3rd Edition" ... and Windows 2000 & XP to be the beginnings of spyware in the guise of an operating system. I'm hoping against hope that in the next few years, there will be a creative explosion among software developers in the Linux arena that will blow Bill Gates out of the water. Bill Gates, as the film "Pirates Of Silicon Valley" intimated, IS "big brother" ... or possibly the antichrist (grin, see photo of Bill Gates as Antichrist at the bottom of this post).

Macs? They've always been the better computer with the better operating system. But, the BETA video format was far superior to VHS as well. Translation? People like "cheap." This forces Mac developers to play an unending game of "catch up" ... and I suspect that, eventually, Mac OS's will become more spywareish than they are today ... a future fait accompli. In fact, my landlord (uses OS 9.22 on his Mac) swears that OS-X is the first Mac OS incorporating snoop routines. Whether or not that's true is something I don't know.

The Internet was meant to be like the great frontier. But big business wants to tame it, fence it up, box it in, and serve it up in chunks to the consumer. And the government? They'll go along for the ride.

[DudeAsInCool]

ROTFL :) PS I love Macs; will never switch over. I still use os 9.1, and it does everything I need. I have Jaguar--never installed it.