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[DudeAsInCool]

FILM Exclusive: Enlist Congressmen's Kids

http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2642193

[NullsRevenge]

I though i would humor mytself and watch the clip.. Its exactly like the last one and just shows that it is a joke and a 2 hour political ad.

From the extreemely short clips, to the sad music playing in the background its just as thought it would it be. At the end where Moore takes a swipe at Bush in his "calm" voice i thought was pretty funny along with him fearmongering by hinting that young people today are going to die.

The whole thing was pretty stupid, i dont think any parent unless its under extranordinary circumstances would forceably enlist their kid in the armed services, i believe that joining the military is a personal decision. With all the phone calls, mailings, speakers in school, i knew i dont really think the military needs any help getting info out there. And the average teenage male gets bugged enough by the recruiters.

[DudeAsInCool]

I thought the Congressman's reactions to Moore's presence were priceless..

[Shawn]

I toast Moore.

He's one of the few who is still standing up and reminding people of the obvious. America had no motivation to attack Iraq. America had motivation to attack a few different countries, but Iraq really wasn't one of them.

Bush ordered Bin Laden's family escorted out of the U.S. on 9/12. Hmm, I've never got that.

The U.S., with a lot of backing, invaded Afghanistan. None of the terrorists were from there, most were Saudis, but I can still understand that reasoning. However, it sort of blows that "Bush Doctrine" out the window. that S. A. wasn't next.

Bush turned away from the war on terror to invade Iraq. O----kay?

Bush turned much of the world against the U.S. by unilaterally deciding to invade Iraq. He claims it was because of Iraq's failure to live up to a U.N. resolution. Only a slanted reading of that resolution would suggest the U.S. was to invade Iraq if that country did not abide. Not to mention that Bush, like a lot of conservative leaning folk, has no damn use for the U.N. or its resolutions.

The Bush admin had a camera everywhere in the war. Almost. That is to say there was a camera at every contrived photo-op to be had.

- The tearing down of Sadaam's statue

- The 'rescue' of Lynch

- People thanking the U.S. soldiers

Not too slanted? Yet Cheney attacks the New York Times for running the headline "Commission finds no Iraq-Laden connection". Umm, that's what they found.

Much was made of the connection between Iraq and Bin Laden. False testimony was upheld. Lies are still being offered by Cheney on the matter. (I have a sweet piece of video outlining that if people are interested.)

The day the commission made it's ruling, I heard Bush sit there and say the reason he was still so insistant on the Iraq-Laden connection was that it existed.

He's a farce. His defence minister remind one more of a zen ninja than a serious civil servant. Bush's tenure has seen frightening legislation, and frightening appointments.

He's all of these things I've mentioned, as well as a deserter. Then he stands there and defends his military wisdom as opposed to Kerry's?

Seriously, anyone outside the U.S. that says they would be understanding if Americans voted the man back into office is just acting as the Devil's advocate.

[DudeAsInCool]

1) Bush ordered Bin Laden's family escorted out of the U.S. on 9/12. Hmm, I've never got that.

2) The U.S., with a lot of backing, invaded Afghanistan. None of the terrorists were from there, most were Saudis, but I can still understand that reasoning. However, it sort of blows that "Bush Doctrine" out the window. that S. A. wasn't next.

3) Bush turned away from the war on terror to invade Iraq. O----kay?

1) Richard Clarke, the formerly anti-terrorism head, took sole responsibility for this. Until he did, i thought it was Bush, too. Not sure on his rationale...

2) Clearly the Taliban leadership was in cahoots with Bin Laden and were protecting him and his camps. I didnt support the invasion at first, mostly for a lack of information--the Bush administration is so close-lipped, it was hard to really know what was going on.

Its clear that Bin Laden was being protected by the Taliban. We did the right thing..but I would be happier if we spent more money to fix the country.

Saudi Princes/money people may have been behind the financing of the terror and probably were. But these are indivduals as opposed to a whole structure like Bin Laden or the Taliban

3) My chief argument with the invasion of Iraq is that it took our resources away from the the more threatening aspects of the terrorist network, and I dont believe that it should take 28 billion dollars and counting, and an invasion, and all our troop losses to get rid of one man and his coterie...

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Back to the Moore clip. I think he brings out the hypocracy issue of those who vote to send people to war, but dont have to do it themselves--its mostly symbolic like CCR's "Fortunate Son" song...

[NullsRevenge]

I thought the Congressman's reactions to Moore's presence were priceless..

I wouldnt really call it a expression, since the majority only were on screen for about a second its seemed more like a half expression..

I dont think that service should be required when talking about defense, the real hypocracy I see here is people who believe that they speak for all the "young people" and take on some self righteous crusade to represent "young people" when they arent young and forget that these young people are legal adults, and can really handle themselves. If they cant then maybe should start but if they are only going to be spoon fed then its just going to create even more irresponisbile, people who are dependent on others to tell them how "outraged" they should be and for what and unable to be independent on their own.

[DudeAsInCool]

I assume you are referring to Moore or maybe even some of the Congressman?

[Kooperman]

I assume you are referring to Moore or maybe even some of the Congressman?

Maybe he's referring to you, you old liberal Pied Piper!

[NullsRevenge]

I assume you are referring to Moore or maybe even some of the Congressman?

Moore, some members of congress, and anyone else who does it and claim they are looking out for "young people" but really just use that as an excuse to promote their own views.

[DudeAsInCool]

Moore, some members of congress, and anyone else who does it and claim they are looking out for "young people" but really just use that as an excuse to promote their own views.

Your comment promotes your views--my comments promotes my views--koop promotes his...how the hell else do people communicate?

[DudeAsInCool]

Bump :good job:

[slum_goddess]

the real hypocracy I see here is people who believe that they speak for all the "young people" and take on some self righteous crusade to represent "young people" when they arent young and forget that these young people are legal adults, and can really handle themselves. If they cant then maybe should start but if they are only going to be spoon fed then its just going to create even more irresponisbile, people who are dependent on others to tell them how "outraged" they should be and for what and unable to be independent on their own.

how can anyone make an intelligent decision when the information isn't presented to them at all or not in a truthful, open way? yay michael moore, AFAIC he's a real patriot and taking up the slack for all the bullshit we've been forcefed.