Bush Vs Kerry

[Redneck4sure]

I am in Albuquerque which about 45 minutes from Santa Fe.

and about 10 yrs behind civilization.

[Wolfie]

and about 10 yrs behind civilization.

Look who's talking. ;)

At least we have indoor plumbing.

[Malicious Intent]

Thanks Redneck. That second post was a little more useful :)

[Redneck4sure]

Thanks Redneck. That second post was a little more useful :)

MI, the first post was the actual text. The second was an English translation for the masses.

Wolfie, earlier you mentioned snobs have indoor plumbing. Now you brag about the fact that you have indoor plumbing. I have noticed that most snobs brag about being snobs. Why y'all do that??

[DudeAsInCool]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ :bigsmile:

[Wolfie]

This is beginning to feel like a roller coaster.

[DudeAsInCool]

Kerry takes electoral vote lead

With only 48 hours to go and Bush unable to crack 48 in the national polls, all eyes are shifting to the latest battleground state polls. (There are 54 new polls in 22 states today, in case you were wondering.) The obsessively clicked-on Electoral-Vote.com now gives Kerry the lead, with 283 electoral votes to Bush's 246. But the site cautions that many of Kerry's state leads are "razor thin." Still, the trends can't be encouraging for Karl Rove and Co. New polls are now giving Iowa, Michigan, and New Mexico to Kerry, and New Jersey, which seemed weirdly up for grabs days ago, has now returned safely to the Kerry fold.

EV.com notes that "Kerry is in a far better position than Gore was at this point in 2000. Not only is he not trailing by 4 percent, he is actually slightly ahead. On the other hand, there are few undecideds left because they have already broken for the challenger, as they usually do."

Another worrying sign for the Bush camp: The Los Angeles Times reports that Bush's evangelical base is not as solid as it was in 2000. "Like other Americans, they are also concerned about health care, jobs and other issues. That's probably why last week Bush said it was OK with him if the states allow civil unions. In other words, forget the evangelicals and concentrate on the soccer moms in the Midwest who are fairly tolerant of civil unions. Well, that's politics for you."

Flippety flop.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room//index.html

[slum_goddess]

I am in New Mexico, slum_goddess.  I knew the Nov. 2nd would be nightmare to vote. This being battleground state and all.

whoa, new mexico is gorgeous! i love the terrain in england (what i've seen is gorgeous) but i miss the mountains and deserts of the states. albuquerque IMO is a fantastic city.

back on topic, i got this last night from my friend in Gloucester: Hey Rimone, I received the below earlier and couldn't help but wonder WTF? Is this some sort of 'advert' by Kerry's camp or some good-doer trying to help Kerry out? I have issues as to why any US moron would send an email to an email address that ends "@yahoo.co.UK"! but that's perhaps some other issue. / Stuart xx

----- Original Message -----

From: Thompson, Nick

To:

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:00 PM

Subject: Fw: Republican View of Bush Administration SCARY HOW TRUE!!

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sarah B."

To: "Nick Thompson"

Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:33 PM

Subject: Republican View of Bush Administration

Look what we are up against fellow Republicans what are we going to do. It looks like Kerry is going to win.

Charlie Reese writes for the Orlando Sentinel. He's a Conservative Republican who is anti-abortion, anti-tax-and-spend, loudly critical of legislation by the judiciary, doesn't think much of ulticulturalism or secularism, has suggested Clinton "turned the Oval Office into a whorehouse," thinks Ronald Reagan is the greatest thing to come down the pike since canned beer, and voted for Bush in the last election. So, take a look at his article which follows.

Carrol C. Marks

801 International Parkway Suite 5

Orlando FL 32746

[email protected]

************

Vote For A Man, Not A Puppet

Orlando Sentinel

Charlie Reese

(and then a copy of above article). any thoughts on this? my friend is very pissed off at being included.

Edited November 1, 2004 by slum_goddess

[DudeAsInCool]

Florida moves to Kerry, giving him 299 electoral votes. But his lead is shakier than it looks. Both Florida and Ohio are on a knife's edge. We also think Gallup has exposed Wisconsin as a Tier 2 state, winnable for Bush with the right turnout. Kerry's consolation is that both Iowa and New Mexico now look winnable for him, and as a package, they would negate the loss of Wisconsin or Minnesota. Kerry can now afford to lose any of the following combinations: 1) Florida, Iowa, and New Mexico; 2) Florida, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire; 3) Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Hampshire; 4) Ohio and Pennsylvania; or 5) Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania.

http://www.slate.com/id/2108751/

[DudeAsInCool]

Analysis Nov. 1, noon ET: Last night we warned that Florida and Ohio were on a knife's edge and that Kerry could not survive if he lost both. This morning we got two polls that nudged both states ever so slightly back to Bush. The only reason we've had these states leaning one way or the other in the last 24 hours is that we decided at the outset of this project to allocate even the iffiest states. When you look at all the data, Florida and Ohio are tossups. By favoring one criterion over another, you can make a solid argument for either candidate in either state. Last night the weight of evidence was heavier for Kerry by three ounces. Today it's heavier for Bush by two ounces. We warned last night not to make too much of Kerry's 299. We'll warn now not to make too much of Bush's 286. Here is the math that matters: If all the states in which the data lean discernibly to either candidate vote as the polls suggest, the election will come down to Florida and Ohio. If Bush takes both, he wins. If Kerry takes either, he wins. Since the odds in each state are approximately 50-50, with a tiny edge to Bush, the combined probability of Kerry winning the election is about 70 to 75 percent.

http://www.slate.com/id/2108751/

[Redneck4sure]

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

I stole this from Dude.

[Kooperman]

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow.

That would be difficult to do...there ARE no straight Republicans...crooked as snakes, the lot of 'em. :taskmaster:

[Redneck4sure]

Speaking of snakes....them thar democrats are lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut.

[DudeAsInCool]

(Redneck4sure @ Nov 1 2004, 07:10 PM)

You will all vote a straight Republican ticket tomorrow. 

Erase such rubbish from your mind...and instead...

You will vote for Kerry-Edwards and all the Democrats

You will vote for Kerry-Edwards and all the Democrats

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You will vote for Kerry-Edwards and all the Democrats

[Redneck4sure]

ok

In tomorrow's election.

for NRA target of the year.

[Kooperman]

An Election Spoiled Rotten

Greg Palast

November 01, 2004

It's not even Election Day yet, and the Kerry-Edwards campaign is already down by a almost a million votes. That's because, in important states like Ohio, Florida and New Mexico, voter names have been systematically removed from the rolls and absentee ballots have been overlooked—overwhelmingly in minority areas, like Rio Arriba County, New Mexico, where Hispanic voters have a 500 percent greater chance of their vote being "spoiled." Investigative journalist Greg Palast reports on the trashing of the election.

Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's magazine, investigated the manipulation of the vote for BBC Television's Newsnight. The documentary, "Bush Family Fortunes," based on his New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, has been released this month on DVD .

John Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, though not one ballot has yet been counted. He's also losing big time in Colorado and Ohio; and he's way down in Florida, though the votes won't be totaled until Tuesday night.

Through a combination of sophisticated vote rustling—ethnic cleansing of voter rolls, absentee ballots gone AWOL, machines that "spoil" votes—John Kerry begins with a nationwide deficit that could easily exceed one million votes.

The Urge To Purge

Colorado Secretary of State Donetta Davidson just weeks ago removed several thousand voters from the state's voter rolls. She tagged felons as barred from voting. What makes this particularly noteworthy is that, unlike like Florida and a handful of other Deep South states, Colorado does not bar ex-cons from voting. Only those actually serving their sentence lose their rights.

There's no known, verified case of a Colorado convict voting illegally from the big house. Because previous purges have wiped away the rights of innocents, federal law now bars purges within 90 days of a presidential election to allow a voter to challenge their loss of civil rights.

To exempt her action from the federal rule, Secretary Davidson declared an "emergency." However, the only "emergency" in Colorado seems to be President Bush's running dead, even with John Kerry in the polls.

Why the sudden urge to purge? Davidson's chief of voting law enforcement is Drew Durham, who previously worked for the attorney general of Texas. This is what the Lone Star State's current attorney general says of Mr. Durham: He is, "unfit for public office... a man with a history of racism and ideological zealotry." Sounds just right for a purge that affects, in the majority, non-white voters.

From my own and government investigations of such purge lists, it is unlikely that this one contains many, if any, illegal voters.

But it does contain Democrats. The Dems may not like to shout about this, but studies indicate that 90-some percent of people who have served time for felonies will, after prison, vote Democratic. One suspects Colorado's Republican secretary of state knows that.

Ethnic Cleansing Of The Voter Rolls

We can't leave the topic of ethnically cleansing the voter rolls without a stop in Ohio, where a Republican secretary of state appears to be running to replace Katherine Harris.

In Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), some citizens have been caught Registering While Black. A statistical analysis of would-be voters in Southern states by the watchdog group Democracy South indicates that black voters are three times as likely as white voters to have their registration requests "returned" (i.e., subject to rejection).

And to give a boost to this whitening of the voter rolls, for the first time since the days of Jim Crow, the Republicans are planning mass challenges of voters on Election Day. The GOP's announced plan to block 35,000 voters in Ohio ran up against the wrath of federal judges; so, in Florida, what appear to be similar plans had been kept under wraps until the discovery of documents called "caging" lists. The voters on the “caging” lists, disclosed last week by BBC Television London, are, almost exclusively, residents of African-American neighborhoods.

Such racial profiling as part of a plan to block voters is, under the Voting Rights Act, illegal. Nevertheless, neither the Act nor federal judges have persuaded the party of Lincoln to join the Democratic Party in pledging not to distribute blacklists to block voters on Tuesday.

Absentee Ballots Go AWOL

It's 10pm: Do you know where your absentee ballot is? Voters wary about computer balloting are going postal: in some states, mail-in ballot requests are up 500 percent. The probability that all those votes—up to 15 million—will be counted is zip.

Those who mail in ballots are very trusting souls. Here's how your trust is used. In the August 31 primaries in Florida, Palm Beach Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore (a.k.a. Madame Butterfly Ballot) counted 37,839 absentee votes. But days before, her office told me only 29,000 ballots had been received. When this loaves-and-fishes miracle was disclosed, she was forced to recount, cutting the tally to 31,138.

Had she worked it the other way, disappearing a few thousand votes instead of adding additional ones, there would be almost no way to figure out the fix (or was it a mistake?). Mail-in voter registration forms are protected by federal law. Local government must acknowledge receiving your registration and must let you know if there's a problem (say, with signature or address) that invalidates your registration. But your mail-in vote is an unprotected crapshoot. How do you know if your ballot was received? Was it tossed behind a file cabinet—or tossed out because you did not include your middle initial? In many counties, you won't know.

And not every official is happy to have your vote. It is well-reported that Broward County, Fla., failed to send out nearly 60,000 absentee ballots. What has not been nationally reported is that Broward's elections supervisor is a Jeb Bush appointee who took the post only after the governor took the unprecedented step of removing the prior elected supervisor who happened be a Democrat.

A Million Votes In The Electoral Trash Can

"If the vote is stolen here, it will be stolen in Rio Arriba County," a New Mexico politician told me. That's a reasoned surmise: in 2000, one in 10 votes simply weren't counted—chucked out, erased, discarded. In the voting biz, the technical term for these vanishing votes is "spoilage." Citizens cast ballots, but the machines don't notice. In one Rio Arriba precinct in the last go-'round, not one single vote was cast for president—or, at least, none showed up on the machines.

Not everyone's vote spoils equally. Rio Arriba is 73 percent Hispanic. I asked nationally recognized vote statistician Dr. Philip Klinkner of Hamilton College to run a "regression" analysis of the Hispanic ballot spoilage in the Enchanted State. He calculated that a brown voter is 500 percent more likely to have their vote spoiled than a white voter. And It's worse for Native Americans. Vote spoilage is epidemic near Indian reservations.

Votes don't spoil because they're left out of the fridge. It comes down to the machines. Just as poor people get the crap schools and crap hospitals, they get the crap voting machines.

It's bad for Hispanics; but for African Americans, it's a ballot-box holocaust. An embarrassing little fact of American democracy is that, typically, two million votes are spoiled in national elections, registering no vote or invalidated. Based on studies by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission and the Harvard Law School Civil Rights project, about 54 percent of those ballots are cast by African Americans. One million black votes vanished—phffft!

There's a lot of politicians in both parties that like it that way; suppression of the minority is the way they get elected. Whoever is to blame, on Tuesday, the Kerry-Edwards ticket will take the hit. In Rio Arriba, Democrats have an eight-to-one registration edge over Republicans. Among African American voters...well, you can do the arithmetic yourself.

The total number of votes siphoned out of America's voting booths is so large, you won't find the issue reported in our self-glorifying news media. The one million missing black, brown and red votes spoiled, plus the hundreds of thousands flushed from voter registries, is our nation's dark secret: an apartheid democracy in which wealthy white votes almost always count, but minorities are often purged or challenged or simply not recorded. In effect, Kerry is down by a million votes before one lever is pulled, card punched or touch-screen touched.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/an_electi...iled_rotten.php

[Wolfie]

:reallymad: :reallymad: :reallymad:

[DudeAsInCool]

:reallymad: :reallymad: :reallymad:

[Redneck4sure]

:wha': :wha': :wha':

[Kooperman]

Bush's aides predicted victory when talking on the record, pointing to polls showing that the race remained a tossup, both nationally and in key states. But despite the insistence that all was well, the erosion in the moods of Bush's inner circle over the past two weeks was unmistakable. Several of his close advisers said they were concerned because the president had achieved no last-minute momentum, and Democratic turnout was looking as if it might swamp the Bush-Cheney campaign's projections.

A GOP official who is privy to Bush-Cheney strategy and polling said that as the incumbent, Bush should be further ahead of Kerry in polls. "Some of them have been moving in the right direction, but it isn't enough," the official said. "Karl [Rove] is a big believer in the bandwagon effect, but there has been nothing over the past week for the president to use it to turn it around."

Taken from this Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...ov1.html?sub=AR

[Kooperman]

Ohio Supreme Court Approves Voter Intimidation

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003165.html

[DudeAsInCool]

:reallymad: :reallymad: :reallymad:

[Kooperman]

I think John Kerry has to have Ohio in order to win the presidency...Kerry has a great chance of winning Florida...but there's no question that Jeb Bush and his Republican voting posse will screw Kerry in every way possible. Now they're planning on the same thing in Ohio. Bastards.

[GabrielYoungFan]

Well I went out and voted. It wasn't too crowded in my town. I hope you all vote.

[Kooperman]

It was raining so hard here today that I stepped into about 4 inches of water when I got out of my car at the polling location.